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	<title>Comments on: Bearing the Chalice &#8211; Personal Encounters with Eucharistic Theology</title>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*Senior not senor...apologies]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Senior not senor&#8230;apologies</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://theophiliacs.com/2010/06/29/bearing-the-chalice-personal-encounters-with-eucharistic-theology/#comment-7721</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed that post, we have Communion once a month at my Church (which week depends on which Service one attends) but I often feel that it is appended at the end of the Service like some sort of chore. I&#039;ve also wondered why, as my Church believes, if the Sacraments have no power we insist on doing them. Though to be fair our Senor Minister (well ok my Dad) is insistent that Communion is done with reverence, though the same cannot be said for other Ministers we&#039;ve had at my Church (once the Minister wore jeans and a dirty t-shirt). I recently have started to help set up and lay out the Elements in our evening Service and I remember when the Youth Pastor found out I was doing it he said &quot;Well at least you still respect the Sacraments&quot; which I found sad that he felt justified in saying it.

By the way the link to the Sermon doesn&#039;t work anymore as the Sermon can no longer be accessed from that Church&#039;s website.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed that post, we have Communion once a month at my Church (which week depends on which Service one attends) but I often feel that it is appended at the end of the Service like some sort of chore. I&#8217;ve also wondered why, as my Church believes, if the Sacraments have no power we insist on doing them. Though to be fair our Senor Minister (well ok my Dad) is insistent that Communion is done with reverence, though the same cannot be said for other Ministers we&#8217;ve had at my Church (once the Minister wore jeans and a dirty t-shirt). I recently have started to help set up and lay out the Elements in our evening Service and I remember when the Youth Pastor found out I was doing it he said &#8220;Well at least you still respect the Sacraments&#8221; which I found sad that he felt justified in saying it.</p>
<p>By the way the link to the Sermon doesn&#8217;t work anymore as the Sermon can no longer be accessed from that Church&#8217;s website.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
		<link>http://theophiliacs.com/2010/06/29/bearing-the-chalice-personal-encounters-with-eucharistic-theology/#comment-6187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am also a pentecostal, although not attending church. My theology would be a charismatic Moravian, but we don&#039;t have a Moravian church here.

St Paul said to the Corinthians that they were stewards of the mysteries of God. The pagans called us Christian, but technically we are stewards of the mysteries of God. One of those mysteries is the eucharist. We do not re-sacrifice the death of Jesus on the cross, but I believe the elements are consecrated as a channel of Christ&#039;s spirit (or the Holy Spirit) to come within us just as God&#039;s Holy Spirit entered Mary and she gave birth to Jesus. 

If communion is just a commemorative or memorial part of the service, then it is not one of those &#039;mysteries&#039; of God, which St Paul exhorted us to be stewards of. 

I am thinking the early church was so powerful in miracles because they practised the sacrament. The indeed became channels of God&#039;s power through this mystical union of Christ with his Church. 

Also St Paul gives reference to &quot;For he that easts and rinks unworthily, eats and drinks damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord&#039;s body.&quot; Paul said it was the Lord&#039;s body. And the mystical union was affected which is why Paul goes on to say &quot;For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.&quot; (i.e. die). This is physical, not spiritual.

In my heart I believe the sacramental union is one of the mysteries of God which we have somehow in the pentecostal movement failed to be a steward of.

The supernatural experiences may manifest themselves more with us if we see it as a sacramental union (not quite the Roman Catholic&#039;s theology).

Your thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also a pentecostal, although not attending church. My theology would be a charismatic Moravian, but we don&#8217;t have a Moravian church here.</p>
<p>St Paul said to the Corinthians that they were stewards of the mysteries of God. The pagans called us Christian, but technically we are stewards of the mysteries of God. One of those mysteries is the eucharist. We do not re-sacrifice the death of Jesus on the cross, but I believe the elements are consecrated as a channel of Christ&#8217;s spirit (or the Holy Spirit) to come within us just as God&#8217;s Holy Spirit entered Mary and she gave birth to Jesus. </p>
<p>If communion is just a commemorative or memorial part of the service, then it is not one of those &#8216;mysteries&#8217; of God, which St Paul exhorted us to be stewards of. </p>
<p>I am thinking the early church was so powerful in miracles because they practised the sacrament. The indeed became channels of God&#8217;s power through this mystical union of Christ with his Church. </p>
<p>Also St Paul gives reference to &#8220;For he that easts and rinks unworthily, eats and drinks damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord&#8217;s body.&#8221; Paul said it was the Lord&#8217;s body. And the mystical union was affected which is why Paul goes on to say &#8220;For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.&#8221; (i.e. die). This is physical, not spiritual.</p>
<p>In my heart I believe the sacramental union is one of the mysteries of God which we have somehow in the pentecostal movement failed to be a steward of.</p>
<p>The supernatural experiences may manifest themselves more with us if we see it as a sacramental union (not quite the Roman Catholic&#8217;s theology).</p>
<p>Your thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: The Charismanglican</title>
		<link>http://theophiliacs.com/2010/06/29/bearing-the-chalice-personal-encounters-with-eucharistic-theology/#comment-5816</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Charismanglican]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 23:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shawn talking about that reunion of friends in Colorado reminds me that I would love to meet you guys sometime. If I find that a single Theophiliac was within 80 miles of Southern California without hanging out with me my wrath will rise like a mighty storm.

@Shawn - What you describe about your feelings about the eucharist is something I can really relate to (as a participant, but not bearing the chalice).  I would love to share my own experience as a lector sometime, how amazing that whole experience is whether I&#039;m reading or hearing the lesson.  Something I would never have imagined in my independent evangelical days.

@Tony - your experience is very similar to mine in regards to ecstatic experiences of God. I would love to chat about it. Thing is...the strange &#039;spiritual&#039; experiences that I&#039;ve had (things that people would normally associate with the &#039;supernatural&#039;) are something that I don&#039;t open up about except with those with whom I know it is safe to do so. I have a unique habit of both telling it the way I think it was, and yet being open to the idea that it is an experience too subjective to tell everyone. In the right company, these things are great to recall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn talking about that reunion of friends in Colorado reminds me that I would love to meet you guys sometime. If I find that a single Theophiliac was within 80 miles of Southern California without hanging out with me my wrath will rise like a mighty storm.</p>
<p>@Shawn &#8211; What you describe about your feelings about the eucharist is something I can really relate to (as a participant, but not bearing the chalice).  I would love to share my own experience as a lector sometime, how amazing that whole experience is whether I&#8217;m reading or hearing the lesson.  Something I would never have imagined in my independent evangelical days.</p>
<p>@Tony &#8211; your experience is very similar to mine in regards to ecstatic experiences of God. I would love to chat about it. Thing is&#8230;the strange &#8216;spiritual&#8217; experiences that I&#8217;ve had (things that people would normally associate with the &#8216;supernatural&#8217;) are something that I don&#8217;t open up about except with those with whom I know it is safe to do so. I have a unique habit of both telling it the way I think it was, and yet being open to the idea that it is an experience too subjective to tell everyone. In the right company, these things are great to recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Wamsley</title>
		<link>http://theophiliacs.com/2010/06/29/bearing-the-chalice-personal-encounters-with-eucharistic-theology/#comment-5814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn Wamsley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sabio,

I am honored to have served such a function, thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sabio,</p>
<p>I am honored to have served such a function, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabio Lantz</title>
		<link>http://theophiliacs.com/2010/06/29/bearing-the-chalice-personal-encounters-with-eucharistic-theology/#comment-5813</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sabio Lantz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 01:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shawn,
This post and your respond to my Hinduism post inspired me to write a post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/hinduism-was-my-undoing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Self-disclosure and Vulnerability&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn,<br />
This post and your respond to my Hinduism post inspired me to write a post on <a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/hinduism-was-my-undoing/" rel="nofollow">Self-disclosure and Vulnerability</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shawn,

It would be a blessing to meet you. When you get back to the Twin Cities, please email me.

I have heard George O. Wood speak about charismata during church services.  He has also addressed the matter on the AGTV website.  Springfield has sent out two books to all AG credential holders that address spiritual gifts with an emphasis on order.  They are: Divine Order, edited by Randy Hurst; and When the Spirit Speaks, authored by Warren Bullock.

Recently I have felt a leading to take a sabbatical from heavier duty, theological reading.  This past week I reread  A Man Called Mr. Pentecost (David du Plessis).  It was a light read and a great blessing to me.  Du Plessis knew how to walk in the spirit and was involved in the charismata spreading to the mainline churches.  Because of his contact with the mainlines, his AG credentials were rescinded, but 18 years later, when the AG leadership saw the fruit of his work, he was reinstated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn,</p>
<p>It would be a blessing to meet you. When you get back to the Twin Cities, please email me.</p>
<p>I have heard George O. Wood speak about charismata during church services.  He has also addressed the matter on the AGTV website.  Springfield has sent out two books to all AG credential holders that address spiritual gifts with an emphasis on order.  They are: Divine Order, edited by Randy Hurst; and When the Spirit Speaks, authored by Warren Bullock.</p>
<p>Recently I have felt a leading to take a sabbatical from heavier duty, theological reading.  This past week I reread  A Man Called Mr. Pentecost (David du Plessis).  It was a light read and a great blessing to me.  Du Plessis knew how to walk in the spirit and was involved in the charismata spreading to the mainline churches.  Because of his contact with the mainlines, his AG credentials were rescinded, but 18 years later, when the AG leadership saw the fruit of his work, he was reinstated.</p>
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